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The conversation between Josephine Graf and Piper Marshall discusses the exhibition "Exhibition as Image: Art through the Camera's Eye" at Ludlow 38 in New York. The show features works by various artists, including Judith Barry, that question standard paradigms of recording art. The exhibition explores the idea of the artist as both subject and object of documentation, and how this recursive nature offers resistance to a contemporary culture of seamless digital distribution. The works in the show, such as Barry's dioramas and videos by Anne-Mie Van Kerckhoven and Mark Leckey, replay past exhibitions and display former instances of display, blurring the lines between documentation and appropriation. The conversation touches on the stakes of asking an artist to design, frame, or document an exhibition today, and how this alters the role of the curator. The show is seen as a retort to the tendency of creating "non-subjects" through online art platforms, marking a return to an interest in subjectivity and the presence of the subject.